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61 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 16:14

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Ivan Campo
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We've had managers that set up positively, to win matches then when we got battered, it was his fault because we're too open, and we need a McCarthy, Pulis type - someone to steady the ship, organise the defence etc. Well at the minute, that's exactly the sort of manager we've got. It ain't working right now, no doubt about it, but if we were playing the other extreme style and getting the same results, Parky would be just the guy people would be wanting us to bring in.

You're not seriously comparing Parkinson to McCarthy or Pulis are you? I have seen no defensive organisation, nor have I seen any type of organisation, and to say that what we need is another Parkinson type well that's just laughable, tell me this, how many Championship clubs will be clamouring for Parkinson's leadership?

I don't think Pulis or McCarthy have ever had to build a team under a transfer embargo. They certainly haven't done so while achieving promotion, then Championship survival.

The trouble is that unless/until the club sack Parky, we'll never know exactly how correct you are in terms of how much we actually need him.

We could stick with him all season, get relegated and you could say "I told you so!", but who'd know what would have happened had we gambled and brought a more attacking manager in. Knowing your record Martin, you'd be up his arse for a few weeks before telling us he's systematically destroying us.

62 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 16:25

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Frank Worthington
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We could stick with him all season, get relegated and you could say "I told you so!", but who'd know what would have happened had we gambled and brought a more attacking manager in. Knowing your record Martin, you'd be up his arse for a few weeks before telling us he's systematically destroying us.

I'd back any manager that comes in and gives us some semblance of balance, organisation, and plays in form players in their correct position, what I have seen from Parkinson in two and a half years is make it up as you goes along, it was clear even in league 1 that he wasn't cut out to manage a reasonably big team, gutless performances against the likes of Chesterfield, Rochdale and Bristol Rovers showed him for what he is, and that's an average lower league manager.

63 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 16:56

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Our new signings looked a step up from the players we discarded, there seemed to be a plan, everyone knew their role and carried it out confidently. What has happened since?

5 changes every week happened.
The reward for scoring was to sit for the next game.

64 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 17:38

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Our new signings looked a step up from the players we discarded, there seemed to be a plan, everyone knew their role and carried it out confidently. What has happened since?

5 changes every week happened.
The reward for scoring was to sit for the next game.
True, but the one newcomer that I had doubts about after the Reading game was the scorer, Wildschut. Apart from the goal, he did nothing much and often chose the wrong option, passed to no one,  or stumbled over the ball. First impressions turned out to be true.

65 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 17:56

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:We've had managers that set up positively, to win matches then when we got battered, it was his fault because we're too open, and we need a McCarthy, Pulis type - someone to steady the ship, organise the defence etc. Well at the minute, that's exactly the sort of manager we've got. It ain't working right now, no doubt about it, but if we were playing the other extreme style and getting the same results, Parky would be just the guy people would be wanting us to bring in.


Are you pissed? Are you suggesting Parky is some sort of defensive master?

You really need to think before you post.

66 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 18:11

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:We've had managers that set up positively, to win matches then when we got battered, it was his fault because we're too open, and we need a McCarthy, Pulis type - someone to steady the ship, organise the defence etc. Well at the minute, that's exactly the sort of manager we've got. It ain't working right now, no doubt about it, but if we were playing the other extreme style and getting the same results, Parky would be just the guy people would be wanting us to bring in.


Are you pissed? Are you suggesting Parky is some sort of defensive master?

You really need to think before you post.


Very Happy

67 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 18:24

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Parky organising the defence is what got us promoted, we conceded the least goals that season in the entire league. The success certainly wasn’t down to attacking flair.

68 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 18:29

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Parky organising the defence is what got us promoted, we conceded the least goals that season in the entire league. The success certainly wasn’t down to attacking flair.

That was in League 1.

We're now in the Championship.

We are a defensive team that can't defend. Even you can't disagree with that.

69 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 18:31

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Frank Worthington
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Parky organising the defence is what got us promoted, we conceded the least goals that season in the entire league. The success certainly wasn’t down to attacking flair.

That was in League 1.

We're now in the Championship.

We are a defensive team that can't defend. Even you can't disagree with that.
And as already stated Parkinson is an average lower league manager.

70 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 18:50

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Parky organising the defence is what got us promoted, we conceded the least goals that season in the entire league. The success certainly wasn’t down to attacking flair.

That was in League 1.

We're now in the Championship.

We are a defensive team that can't defend. Even you can't disagree with that.
A defensive team that can't defend combined with an offense that can't score.  Pretty sad combination.

71 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 18:53

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Parky organising the defence is what got us promoted, we conceded the least goals that season in the entire league. The success certainly wasn’t down to attacking flair.

That was in League 1.

We're now in the Championship.

We are a defensive team that can't defend. Even you can't disagree with that.

Ye we’re conceding in every game and not scoring so yes I agree with that. He’s lost his way, swapping defensive players every game is a bad move IMO. Our success in league 1 was built on a consistent back 5.

72 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 18:54

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Ivan Campo
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:We've had managers that set up positively, to win matches then when we got battered, it was his fault because we're too open, and we need a McCarthy, Pulis type - someone to steady the ship, organise the defence etc. Well at the minute, that's exactly the sort of manager we've got. It ain't working right now, no doubt about it, but if we were playing the other extreme style and getting the same results, Parky would be just the guy people would be wanting us to bring in.


Are you pissed? Are you suggesting Parky is some sort of defensive master?

You really need to think before you post.


What Parky has achieved at Wanderers is bigger than anything Pulis or McCarthy has ever done, and these are both names that several posters have said they'd gladly have at Bolton.

Sure there's major problems with our defence but guess what, good defenders cost money.

73 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:00

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:What Parky has achieved at Wanderers is bigger than anything Pulis or McCarthy has ever done, and these are both names that several posters have said they'd gladly have at Bolton.

Sure there's major problems with our defence but guess what, good defenders cost money.

Who on earth is suggesting Pulis would leave Middlesbrough for us? I think you made that up.

But you carry on happy clapping, may I suggest you fire off a friend request to Alan Houghton.

We've just set a record for the most consecutive home defeats without scoring. How bad does it have to get before you accept Parky is out of his depth? If we haven't scored by Christmas will the clapping have slowed?

74 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:05

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Do you excuse him at all for the situation he’s working under though? Is he hamstrung by the perennial lack of investment? Have the off field goings on unsettled the players?

75 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:13

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Ivan Campo
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Who on earth is suggesting Pulis would leave Middlesbrough for us?


Nobody, you fucking stupid fat bitch.

The point is that all the Parky haters on here would probably see Pulis and a number of others as a step up.

But none of those have had to build a team in this league under the constraints Parkinson has.

The football is up there with the worst I've seen as a Bolton fan, sure, but to attribute that all to Parky is just senseless.

76 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:13

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Do you excuse him at all for the situation he’s working under though? Is he hamstrung by the perennial lack of investment? Have the off field goings on unsettled the players?

It's a difficult job, no doubt about that. But most football jobs are.

But no, I don't excuse him. He's a football manager paid good money to get results. He isn't getting them.

His record in the transfer market is pitiful, how many players has he signed that have played to a consistently decent level? How many are worth more now than when they signed?

He released Morais, Henry and Le Fondre and none of the replacements have been any better.

He's signed Doidge for hard cash and hardly played him. Surely if you're going to spend money on a player for only the second time in 3 years you're going to sign one who is the first name on the teamsheet?

77 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:15

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Nobody, you fucking stupid fat bitch.

How dare you. I'm not fat.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:The football is up there with the worst I've seen as a Bolton fan, sure, but to attribute that all to Parky is just senseless.

No, I also attribute it to the players he signed.

78 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:16

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Nobody, you fucking stupid fat bitch.

Harsh and more than a little bit childish.

79 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:20

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Nobody, you fucking stupid fat bitch.

How dare you. I'm not fat.


Just big boned? Very Happy

80 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:23

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Nat Lofthouse
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You fuckers, my body is a fucking temple. People stop what they are doing when I walk by.

81 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:24

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:What Parky has achieved at Wanderers is bigger than anything Pulis or McCarthy has ever done, and these are both names that several posters have said they'd gladly have at Bolton.

Sure there's major problems with our defence but guess what, good defenders cost money.

Who on earth is suggesting Pulis would leave Middlesbrough for us? I think you made that up.

But you carry on happy clapping, may I suggest you fire off a friend request to Alan Houghton.

We've just set a record for the most consecutive home defeats without scoring. How bad does it have to get before you accept Parky is out of his depth? If we haven't scored by Christmas will the clapping have slowed?

We've gone from top six to bottom three.  Something is wrong with that equation.

82 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:25

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:You fuckers, my body is a fucking temple. People stop what they are doing when I walk by.

Is that because they throw up? Very Happy

83 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:28

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Frank Worthington
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In Rammy we call that the local brothel

84 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:30

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Nat Lofthouse
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If I was working in a brothel they'd have to employ stewards to control the crowds.

85 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:34

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Do you excuse him at all for the situation he’s working under though? Is he hamstrung by the perennial lack of investment? Have the off field goings on unsettled the players?

It's a difficult job, no doubt about that. But most football jobs are.

But no, I don't excuse him. He's a football manager paid good money to get results. He isn't getting them.

His record in the transfer market is pitiful, how many players has he signed that have played to a consistently decent level? How many are worth more now than when they signed?

He released Morais, Henry and Le Fondre and none of the replacements have been any better.

He's signed Doidge for hard cash and hardly played him. Surely if you're going to spend money on a player for only the second time in 3 years you're going to sign one who is the first name on the teamsheet?

Can’t agree with that, I’d rather have Lowe and Oz then Morris and Henry.

I’d also prefer Donaldson over Wilbraham.

Le Fondre was a useful option, no world beater and I doubt he’d have had much affect on our recent results. Anderson let him go though, it was his decision apparently so why blame Parky?

The fact is we’ve made good signings when you consider the pool we’re looking in and the consistent shambles behind the scenes.

But we lost a £6 million striker last year who scored all of our goals and haven’t replaced him. It’s not an easy thing to do with budget, never mind without.

86 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:39

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Can’t agree with that, I’d rather have Lowe and Oz then Morris and Henry.


But neither of those players have done anything. I accept Oz might turn out to be a decent signing in the long-term but right now he looks lost.

Henry just had a way of controlling things when the chips were down. Again, no world beater but it was no coincidence that our season turned on his signing. Lowe isn't fit to lace his boots.

As for Le Fondre, he had the ability to change games - do any of our current strikers look like changing games?

87 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:55

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Nonsense about Oz, he needs a goal but he’s the best midfielder on the ball we’ve had since Holden. It would look a very different story if some of the chances he’s been creating had been finished off. Far better option than Morais at this level.

I’d have liked to keep Le fondre but I can see why anderson got rid, he could never have played every game for us. He got 7 goals last year Magennis already has 4, he’s replaceable.

88 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 19:58

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:In Rammy we call that the local brothel

If I was working in a brothel they'd have to employ stewards to control the crowds.
If you're looking for work I can have a word with Big Madge for you

89 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 20:00

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Nat Lofthouse
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I disagree about Oz, but hope you are right. Ironically he'd probably look better if Le Fondre had been playing to put away the chances.

Morais is better than Noone, Buckley and Wilschutt. At least he contributed. Half the problem is we are so poor on the wings that no crosses are coming in. If Magennis had some decent crosses to attack I suspect he'd look better than he does trying to get a head on hoofed balls from the back.

90 Re: Bolton 0-1 Swansea on Sun Nov 11 2018, 21:41

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Nat Lofthouse
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The only winger we have that is any good is Ameobi. Noone and Buckley are poor and Wildschut is very inconsistent as well. If the wingers aren't performing then we need to find a way of playing without them.

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